Evolution at Work – See it Here

May 22, 2007 at 7:34 am | Posted in Atheism, Beliefs, Bush, creationism, evolution, intelligent design, Religion, science | 14 Comments

Whenever I venture into the turbulent waters of evolution vs creation or intelligent design someone always tries to make a point for creationism by informing me that no fossils exist to show evidence for any transitional species. Why are there no fossils of half dog half cat, they want to know. Of course anyone with an understanding of the science of evolution will recognize that question for what it is. Only the very uninformed or misinformed would make such a statement. On the other hand, if you truly want to see a transitional species you need look no farther than your mirror.

I am not focusing on any one person or group, nor is it my intention to offend, but I got to thinking about the wide range of intellectual abilities found in humans. Ask two people, one with an average IQ and one with very high IQ to solve a problem and see what happens. Individuals gifted with a high level of intelligence will process the information and offer one or more solutions before the not so gifted individual even has an understanding of the problem

Scientists have found that the brains of the very intelligent develop differently than the brains of the less intelligent; there are actual physical differences (read more). I think these differences are an indication that we are continuing along the evolutionary journey. It’s too bad we don’t get to see how it all turns out (assuming we don’t blow ourselves and the planet to bits of dust). We know that evolutionary changes are gradual and happen over extremely long periods of time. Contrary to what some people think it doesn’t happen over night all at once. Neanderthals didn’t one day disappear and presto the earth was suddenly populated with Cro Magnons. It doesn’t work that way.

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  1. Hm…
    I can kind of see where that is going…

    However – I still must ask the same thing.
    If we evolved from a single celled organism… where are all of the fossils that connect all the various species?

  2. Brian,

    where are all of the fossils that connect all the various species?

    Where indeed, are you looking for a phone directory type listing with a locations for each? If you truly want to know. Enroll in a university and major in physical anthropology where you will spend several years learning what you now think can be imparted in a sentence or two in a forum such as this. Gain a true understanding of the science in a setting where your information will come from a vast array, and years of research. Participate in field work, ask every question you can think of, then come back and see if you still have those same questions. Until then, getting your information from a few books that may or may not have been written with a biased point of view, and asking questions that cannot be answered in a paragraph or two just isn’t going to cut it…for someone who REALLY wants to know. Personally, I don’t think you do. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, it might make you feel right with the world, but if you do want this knowledge then this is not the place to get it.

  3. Hm.
    Phone book listing? Shouldn’t there be one? If they’re so many, why isn’t there one with the internet out there? Why should I have to spend all that money and time at college? Or spend all that time researching stuff I don’t know the first thing about?

    You seem to keep forgetting that I read Darwin’s Origin of Species and thought it logically bogus.

  4. There’s no point in trying to defend evolution against creationists. When people ask questions like this, it’s a lot easier to agree with them about knowing there are fossil record gaps and ask for evidence of the creator.

    If they’re an ID advocate, usually they’ll just point to the lack of evidence for evolution as proof of God.

    Then just assert that, even if they did disprove evolution, that doesn’t make the case for a creator.

    It’s a stupid argument anyway. One is based on superstition and the other is based on oberservation. The intellectual dishonesty of the IDers is sickening. Kirk Cameron, a leading authority on evolution, is a perfect example.

    I so wish Kirk and Ray would interview me. Somehow I don’t think I’d make the final cut. Even when their questions are designed to get a specific answer, it’s still easy to point out the logical fallacies in their argument.

    Evolution != Atheism, as much as they like to think it does.

    As for Brian, surely you have some evidence to disprove evolution, correct? When you can answer that question without attempting to use lack of evidence, please come back and let everyone know. Until then, either try filling in the gaps (evidence) or work towards finding evidence to disprove the theory (negative evidence). Just because you don’t know, doesn’t make the theory any less (or more) valid.

  5. Brian,

    You seem to keep forgetting that I read Darwin’s Origin of Species and thought it logically bogus

    I haven’t forgotten that you have read Darwin’s book. However, with all due respect, I believe your bias wouldn’t allow for you to read that book with an objective mindset. Logically bogus? Based on your many posts, if you have any acquaintance with logic it is fleeting at best.
    Darwin is just one of many, and much has been learned since his time.

    Why should I have to spend all that money and time at college?

    To become educated. Or do you think that I should provide you, at no cost, what you don’t want to spend money on? You may be unaware that there are many finacial aid and grant programs available to those who want an education.

    Or spend all that time researching stuff I don’t know the first thing about?

    I’m glad to see you finally admit you don’t know the first thing about evolution. In that case maybe you shouldn’t be commenting on or disputing something by your own admission you don’t know the first thing about.
    Science (evolution or any other branch) isn’t derived from a set of beliefs that one “makes up”. What scientists do is observe nature and develop theories that describe their observations and study.

  6. My bias? Everyone has a bias. It’s also called a ‘worldview.’ It’s how you look at the world, life, good/evil – everything. We all have it.

    Oh I’m planning on going to college – I just don’t plan on studying science.
    But still, my question still stands. Since that evidance is so crucial to Evolution, and so basic, and so (supposedly) abundant, wouldn’t it be on the internet somewhere? After all, everything you learn in college can be obtained, in some way or another, on the internet.

    Yes, I do not know about evolution.
    That’s partially why I’m still here – because I’m curious about it. And so far, nothing has been gained from staying (in that sense).

  7. If they’re an ID advocate, usually they’ll just point to the lack of evidence for evolution as proof of God.

    I’d disagree there.
    Creation (all existance) is a huge indicator for a creator.
    Btw, did you know that evolution is statistically impossible?

    Evidence against evolution?
    Sure.
    First of all, from a plain logic sense – fossils have been found sticking up through multiple layers of sediment that supposedly took thousands/millions/billions of years to form. Those fossils would have decayed by then.
    The sun is burning at a contant rate right? At that rate, billions of years ago, the sun would have enveloped the earth. The earth is floating away from the sun, not towards it. That simply doesn’t work with the millions/billions of years theory.
    Incredible Creatures that Defy Evolution III
    Potentially decisive evidence against pseudogene ‘shared mistakes’
    Why Evolution Can’t Advance
    The First Law of Thermodynamics
    A simple Google search resulted in over 12 million hits.

    (honjii – I shall not respond to that comment on this post – I already did so on a different post)

  8. Wait a second… I responded to that here…
    Gosh… How did I do that…

  9. Brian,
    It is no surprise that the links you post are from a religious based website “Answers in Genesis” with the catch phrase in their header, “Upholding the Authority of the Bible from the very first verse.” Do you really think this is the best place to get scientific facts? That would be kind of like someone wanting to learn how to be a vegetarian by visiting a butcher shop.

    Yes, I do not know about evolution.
    That’s partially why I’m still here – because I’m curious about it

    If you really want to learn stop getting your information from these religious websites.

    Oh I’m planning on going to college – I just don’t plan on studying science.

    But still, my question still stands. Since that evidance is so crucial to Evolution, and so basic, and so (supposedly) abundant, wouldn’t it be on the internet somewhere? After all, everything you learn in college can be obtained, in some way or another, on the internet.

    If you cannot find this information on the internet then something must be very wrong. It’s out there it just isn’t on the faith based sites. If you are only reading the religious sites then of course you will find nothing that contradicts your beliefs.

    A simple Google search resulted in over 12 million hits

    A google search for practically anything will return hits in the millions. And your point is?
    If you read all of the results you would find that beyond the first page or so they would be repitious and/or irrelevent. A good search result also depends on the way you enter your search parameters.

  10. Geeze Brian,
    Do yourself and the rest of us a favor will you? When you go to college please take a basic or remedial English course. (spelling and grammar, yours is atrocious)

    You’re sounding like you attended the G.W. Bush school or English.

  11. I thought you gave up on all this? Hopefully you won’t mind me jumping in again.

    Creation (all existance) is a huge indicator for a creator.

    You’re begging the question. Of course “creation requires a creator” when you label everything a “creation”

    The real question is “why is there something rather than nothing?” and we honestly may never know. There are ideas out there – “nothing” is unstable, but I don’t have nearly enough knowledge about quantum physics to defend such an idea. Even so, “I don’t know” is a much more reasonable position than making up a fundamental non-answer. “God did it” tells us nothing. It’s answering a mystery with another mystery; stopping investigation and giving up.

    Btw, did you know that evolution is statistically impossible?

    I went to that page, and I still can’t figure out where the original article is. I’m going to guess they’re just trying to calculate the odds of life arising the way it did on this planet. I could be completely off, but this would be an incredibly stupid argument. There’s no reason to believe the way life originated here is the only way life can originate.

    If it’s arguing evolution (the explanation of how life evolved from simple to complex) is statistically impossible, they know absolutely nothing of the theory. Evolution isn’t about random chance. In fact, natural selection is the complete opposite. The odds of everything being the way it is today is, with no doubt, nearly impossible. If we went back in time and changed a couple variables, things would be a lot different. Not better or worse, just different. Does this make evolution impossible? No, it makes the way things are at this very second extremely unlikely if we were to go back 4 billion years and start over again.

    Since I still haven’t seen the page, I should probably stop before I get too far off.

    That simply doesn’t work with the millions/billions of years theory.

    I’m no expert, but have we not seen the formation of galaxies with our telescopes? I don’t think things have been the same since the big bang.

    Yes, I do not know about evolution.
    That’s partially why I’m still here – because I’m curious about it. And so far, nothing has been gained from staying (in that sense).

    You’re HERE to learn about evolution? Might I suggest you have discussions with biologists who have seriously studied this stuff? Or maybe a couple of books? A lot of things have changed since Darwin.

    I’d suggest you look into DNA. Francis Collins, Christian author and head of the human genome project was able to find enough evidence for common descent in the human genome. Our evolution past is written in our genes.

  12. Here is one for you, Brian.
    The Genographic Project

  13. […] & intelligent design, evolution, Atheism, science, god, Religion | Last month I wrote a post about the physical differences in the brains of those that are highly intelligent from those less […]

  14. very interesting, but I don’t agree with you
    Idetrorce


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