Christian fundamentalists are different from radical Muslims how?

May 30, 2011 at 9:27 am | Posted in Atheism, Beliefs, civil liberties, god, hypocrisy, irony, Religion, U.S. Constitution | 23 Comments
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Christians love to claim we are a nation founded in christianity (if you know me, then you know the c word gets capitalized only at the beginning of sentences).  I guess if I really think about it I can’t argue with that premise.  We did capture and enslave people, treated them like property, abused them, sold their children, and got rich off their backs for hundreds of years; it doesn’t get more christian-like than that.  Our christianity includes burning women accused of witchcraft, bombing abortion clinics, beating and killing people for being gay…and the list goes on.

For years christianity has been shoved down the throats of everyone who is not christian.  A few examples: prayer in schools, the addition of god to the pledge of allegiance, opening government functions with prayer, hearing our political leaders making religious references.  I’ll be so happy if the christians ever get the date right, and the rapture, or as I like to call it, lift-off, actually occurs.  I get first dibs on all their stuff…just letting you know.  Let us pray that it happens sooner rather than later.

So now this kid in Louisiana, who happens to be an atheist, has received death threats, from the good christian people, because of his opposition to the inclusion of prayer in his high school graduation ceremony.  His own parents threw him out of the house; how christian is that?

From the freethinker:

NORTH LOUISIANA has been described as “the buckle on the Bible Belt” – and not without good reason, as high school student Damon Fowler at Bastrop High School has discovered to his cost.

Damon Fowler: demonised, ostracized and threatened with death

On the eve of his graduation, the atheist student contacted the school superintendent to let him know that he opposed the inclusion of a prayer at the graduation ceremony. He pointed out that government-sponsored prayer in the public schools was unconstitutional and legally forbidden – and that he would be contacting the ACLU if it went ahead. The school agreed to substitute it with a moment of silent reflection, which was subsequently scuppered by a Christian student.

Then Fowler’s name, and his role in this incident, was leaked. As a direct result:

1) Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community.

2) One of Fowler’s teachers has publicly demeaned him.

3) Fowler has been physically threatened. Students have threatened to “jump him” at graduation practice, and he has received multiple threats of bodily harm, and even death threats.

4) Fowler’s parents cut off his financial support, kicked him out of the house, and threw his belongings onto the front porch.     read more

Don’t the christians have a saying about he who is without sin should not cast stones, or something like that?  Rather ironic isn’t it?

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  1. Hmmmmm God in the Pledge of allegiance?? are you serious? and what God are they talking about? If you want to insert your own God in the pledge so be it, the pledge is not specific! Also if I MAY add, not everyone who says they are a Christian are. If your bombing up abortion Clinics, murder someone in the name of God, You have a few screws Loose. The bible is very clear! The bible states you know a TRUE believer by their fruits, meaning their life style. The message that Jesus brought was one of Love , not one of hate. Just because a few nuts go to the extreme, does not mean that all Christians are like this,I believe this is called stereotyping!Oh and those people you condemn who found America, were the same people who help free the slaves, Us History 101:)So if you choose to take a few nuts and label all Christian bible thumpers, murders, shoving our beliefs down your throat. I will point out that you obviously don`t believe in Christ, and that is your choice. No one is putting a gun to your head or throwing you in jail for not being a Christian, but you on the other hand are judging Christians by the action of a few nuts! The bible tells us CHRISTIANS if someone does not receive our message to simply dust off our feet and move on.
    Matthew 10:14
    And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
    Matthew 5:16
    Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your GOOD works and glorify your Father in heaven.

    • @octavia, You might want to read the title of this post, Christian fundamentalists are different from radical Muslims how? From the title anyone with a modicum of sense should be able to surmise that I am not referring to all christians. However, throughout history, there has been a lot of murder and mayhem in the name of christianity. I don’t think the crusades or the inquisition were carried out by just a few nuts. It seems christianity has more than its share of the “nuts” to which you refer. Also, stereotypes generally come into existence for a reason.

      And though no one is putting a gun to my head to convert me into a believer, that doesn’t mean that non-believers or non-christians should have to constantly have christianity shoved down our throats. God was added to the pledge to satisfy christian beliefs, and nowhere in the U.S. do I see any religious groups, other than christians, always putting their beliefs in the forefront, assuming everyone is on board, and yes, shoving them down our collective throats.

    • hey octacia, check it out, from your christian bible: Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations…seems to me since slavery is promoted in your bible all indications point to more than just a few nut job christians… and to follow the bible would mean you are all nut job christians..i can’t wait to hear your response to that, though i’ll bet you can’t come up with one.

      • Here you Go imadueman. I thought you might find this article very helpful and a answer to your question.

        There is a tendency to look at slavery as something of the past. But it is estimated that there are today over 12 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery?

        The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was more a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.

        The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible most definitely does condemn race-based slavery. Consider the slavery the Hebrews experienced when they were in Egypt. The Hebrews were slaves, not by choice, but because they were Hebrews (Exodus 13:14). The plagues God poured out on Egypt demonstrate how God feels about racial slavery (Exodus 7-11). So, yes, the Bible does condemn some forms of slavery. At the same time, the Bible does seem to allow for other forms. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

        In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8-10).

        Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.

  2. Don’t forget Luke 19:27, which is very clearly in favor of what is being done to Damon.

  3. Michael are you talking about The PARABLE( the Story )? Jesus was telling the people? as noted here Luke 19:11-27 (New King James Version)

    The Parable of the Minas

    11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke ANOTHER parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas,[a] and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’
    15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’
    20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’
    24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’”

    Here is the Meaning MICHAEL of this PARABLE LOL
    Verses 11-27 This parable is like that of the talents, matthew 25 . Those that are called to Christ, he furnishes with gifts needful for their business; and from those to whom he gives power, he expects service. The manifestation of the Spirit is given to 1 corinthians 1 peter account required, resembles that in the parable of the talents; and the punishment of the avowed enemies of Christ, as well as of false professors, is shown. The principal difference is, that the pound given to each seems to point out the gift of the gospel, which is the same to all who hear it; but the talents, distributed more or less, seem to mean that God gives different capacities and advantages to men, by which this one gift of the gospel may be differently improved

  4. As I stated before you can not label ALL Christians as murders, insane nut cases because of the few who misinterpret the bible. ONLY GOD can do the judging not us. But I see everyone else being quick to judge us Christians. TRUE Christian follow this verse Matthew 5:44
    44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you

  5. That is a super-peachy-keen post. Thanks for really blathering on like that! Seriously, I don’t think I could have spent more effort wishing for something heavy to fall on me to erase that nonsense from my mind!

  6. [...] Christian fundamentalists are different from radical Muslims how? (honjii.wordpress.com) [...]

  7. So jesus is love eh? In the old testament hell does not exist, jesus introduces it in the new testament. Not very loving really is it? Believe in me and do exactly as I tell you or I will torment you for eternity. Notice that eternity, not a set time limit but for ever and ever amen. That’s a sign of true love isn’t it.

  8. LOL @ Honjii. I should not have to READ all your other posts to do a evaluational on what in the world your trying to say! As a writer you of all people should know make your point clear to your readers! You stated in your message address to me that you were not referring to all Christians, but clearly in your post you say Christians! To me that means all Christians. Well Hon , I hope you have a nice day, and thank you for clarifying that you were not speaking about all Christians:)

    • @Ocavia, Is English not your first language or are you just ignorant and uneducated? Judging from your poor writing skills and your lack of reading comprehension it’s got to be one of the two.

      • LOL@ Monica , The pot calling the kettle black?
        hmmmmmmm Run on sentence and also I Quote ” its GOT to be”? LOL LOL LOL. Correction “It has to be” LOL Have a great day Hon:P

        • @Octavia: There is no run-on (not run on) sentence in Monique’s (her name is not Monica) post. Your first response in this thread also contains many grammatical errors. Perhaps you should put down the bible and read an English book. How in the world did you get Monica from Monique? Apparently she is correct about your reading skills. Perhaps it’s all that small print in the bible.

          LOL @ Honjii. I should not have to READ all your other posts to do a evaluational on what in the world your trying to say!

          …to do a evaluational??? And you are now not just the bible police but the grammar police as well? ROTFLMAO What you are trying to say, in English, should read: I should not have to read all of your other posts to do an evaluation.

          Imadudeman asked you a specific question and you wrote quite a long and circular response but never answered his specific question. He suggested that perhaps you were unable to do that. It seems he is correct. You state that in the past slavery was not based on race. Imadudeman’s question states that the slaves must be purchased from neighboring nations, which would indicate the slaves must be of an ethnicity not one’s own. That is exactly like slavery based on race.

          Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations

        • Let see, by two typos I was called uneducated and told that I had poor writing skills? Hmmmmmm all this from two typos? Wow what a judgmental, ignorant statement and you call us Christians judgmental, LOL LMHO. As for my answer to his slavery question, it was answered completely, he said that the bible seemed to promote slavery; the article goes into details about slavery in the bible and the reason BEHIND having slaves. You call me the bible Police and the grammar police. However, let us back track for a second. I was replying to a post that I felt was addressed to ALL Christians and the Author of this Blog has already sent me a message and stated that her post was not addressed to ALL Christians ,but to those few who took Christianity to the Extreme . Therefore, the issue at hand was cleared up. I have every right just as you do to share my opinion and views on the subject at hand . As far as grammar police, I find it odd that MONIQUE found the need to point out the grammar typos in my writing instead of sticking to the subject at hand. As far as I am concern in this matter it is a closed case. If anyone has any biblical Questions, I am more than happy to share my views and even articles that I feel support my view with well backed up scriptures. I see nothing wrong with that and see no need for childish name calling. I don’t pretend to know all these answers to every question in life, all I can share is those answers that I do have, for I am not God. I think it safe to say ask questions that pertain to Christians of today in this century. I have never own anyone and do not plan to. I do not go around bombing abortion clinic, and I do not murder people. Christian belief is one of faith to many Christians, a Faith in a God who created this universe. I cannot comprehend why people would attack Christians for believing there is a God. I have one question and that is why do Atheist mock Christians?

    • I think you ought to read at least some (if not all) of Honjii’s posts, you might learn something, open your mind, and broaden your horizons.

      • Josh I will do that!!!:) I hope no one else gets offended by my replies, as I will keep them respectful:)

  9. I’m blown away! Your blog has really made me sit up and notice. I will write about your article.

    Thanks!

  10. Octavia,
    I have been following this thread and carefully reading your posts. In all fairness (to Monique) your grammatical errors are quite obviously more than typos. I read many ‘atheist’ blogs, and I have noticed that when Christians respond, especially with long comments, like yours, the writing is very similar. What I mean is, there are many grammatical, usage, and spelling errors. Writing such as this is generally an indication of a lack of education and ignorance. Ignorance, by the way, does not necessarily translate to stupid, it simply means one has no knowledge of a particular subject or subjects. I think what you see as mocking of Christians, by atheists, is due to this lack of education and ignorance. How can we take seriously and really listen to those who are so narrowly focused that they view the world only through the pages of the bible, and have not broadened their horizons enough educate themselves about ideas with which they may not agree. Or, to educate themselves sufficiently to write intelligently and correctly so that they can comment intelligently on a topic. I think then, you will find that the mocking will cease.

    • Josh, my typos have nothing to do with you or anyone not being able to understand what point I am trying to get across. If that was the case, I can say it is fair to say that the Author of this Blog must be highly intelligent and has great comprehension skills than any of her followers, that she herself can understand her readers enough to reply and correct any misunderstandings. She has show more character and intelligetence to embrace her readers even those who come from different backgrounds and religions. However, you Josh speak as if your views are the only important view and I must change myself to try to understand you better. Josh did it every cross your mind that same openness you want me to have to explore my horizon, you yourself should had to those of the Christian faith? But I guess as the bible says and I Quote
      “1 Corinthians 1:18
      For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”
      :) I believe it is not the few writing errors, but the bible scriptures that offend you.

  11. An interesting discussion you have stirred up here, Honjii. Even if it IS 90% off topic. The innate skills of the “Religious” to decide death is the appropriate punishment for anyone who disagrees with their belief. It matters not if you are a christian or a muslim. It is the side-effect of any religion. In fact, if religion were invented now, the FDA would ban it.

  12. Two trailer park girls go ’round the outside. Or so they say. What says you?


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